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Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:44:00 -
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With recent dissatisfaction in mind,I am looking to form a community elected, community managed, community focused collection of mercenaries to act as a watchdog agency for the Council of Planetary Management...
If necessary, this organisation may in future declare the CPM unfit on behalf of the players who recognise this organisation and assume that organisation's responsibilities. The CPM does not work without the community's support. I want you all to remember that you have the power here.
This thread will act as an initial discussion ground and a forum to register expressions of interest in running for The People's Council. A voting system, specifics yet to be announced, will be implemented to choose true player representatives.
Template: I [name here] hereby declare my intent to run for The People's Council. |
Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:47:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:I can't take you seriously with that IMPSwarm corp tag. That's an obstacle I knew I would have to deal with in accepting the tag, but I place the burden back on the reader to manage their own bias and treat individuals as individuals. |
Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.02 23:54:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Logi Bro wrote:I can't take you seriously with that IMPSwarm corp tag. sounds like a personal issue. I'm just going to take a wild guess and say that I'm probably not the only person that thinks this. A news reporter with an affiliation is most likely biased, diminishing credibility to post things like this. DUST 411 was a non-starter. I intentionally remained unaffiliated while that was in place but this isn't posted as a news reporter or as an IMP, it's posted in response to community outcry.
EDIT: Additionally, I'm not in the running for this. Where's the credibility threat? |
Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:18:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Where's the credibility threat? Not specifying this thread, but rather all threads as a whole. I think this thread was less biased than it was influenced by Imp mentality. By that I mean the, "we don't trust anyone but ourselves," mentality that most people possess but Imps make most verbal. My point isn't that you intentionally change info to suit your corp, but rather you are passively influenced to your own corp members' views, which in turn changes credibility. More likely that my mentality instantly changed than your perception, right?
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Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:22:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Don't know if you noticed, but I was gone for two weeks. Doesn't seem so instantaneous to me. I missed that. I've just joined and barely interacted with the corp since :p |
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:34:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:People's council (CPM watchdog): Mithridates VI Veiny Throbbing Joystick Tiberion Deci
People's council watchdog: Crash Monster Not I. |
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:38:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:People's council (CPM watchdog): Mithridates VI Veiny Throbbing Joystick Tiberion Deci
People's council watchdog: Crash Monster Not I. Then it is down to me and Tiberion Deci. Tibby, do you wanna go over the issue of CPM openly exploiting afk? Your trolling this thread by disregarding the very clear instruction that this was expressions of intent has changed my mind and I now support the AFK. I mean the CPM. Both. I support both. |
Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:44:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:1. Not trolling. Disqualified for lying. Start your own club and get out of my thread.
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Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:48:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:1. Not trolling. Disqualified for lying. Start your own club and get out of my thread. Wow, the democratic air sure got blown away so quickly. "Get out of my thread," this isn't your thread, this isn't anyone's thread, this is a discussion and if you don't like what I am saying, you can ignore me, argue with me, but you can't tell me to get out of "your thread". I just did. For continuing to argue, you're now disqualified from future council attempts. |
Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:50:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Where's the credibility threat? "we don't trust anyone but ourselves," The real reason that this is wrong, now that interest in maintaining this thread is gone, is that I'm pretty happy with the current CPM.
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Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:56:00 -
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Veiny Throbbing Joystick wrote:Where did that even come from? Calling people trolls out of the blue? Is this how this works now? Yes. |
Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.03 00:58:00 -
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DigiOps wrote:Logi Bro wrote:I can't take you seriously with that IMPSwarm corp tag. Shouldn't be so quick to judge. There's only a few individuals I don't care for (which goes for members in a few other corps as well), but corp or alliance affiliation shouldn't be a reason to disregard a well written and thought out post. To be fair, Logi Bro was right not to take this particular thread seriously.
I just hope he doesn't base all future interaction on the tag, especially with a couple of weeks worth of missed posts in between. |
Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2013.05.03 01:02:00 -
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Keyser Soze VerbalKint wrote:A watchdog group for a watchdog group.
God bless good ole fashioned bureaucracy.
Okay for the real feedback on this. I applaud the effort Mith but in truth its a redundant effort. Ultimately the real issue is getting an elected CPM and for that to occur CPM needs a charter of ideals, bylaws, and mechanisms for not only election but removal and no-confidence votes.
However a thing to remember about unfiltered democracy and the underpinning on why America(the example i know best) was established as a republic, Mob rule is bad, especially when in the hands of an uninformed electorate. Unlike MMO troll FPS trolls are the masters of public assassinations and smear campaigns(sure mmo guys do it well, but FPS guys are ruthless).
This means if no-votes and recall is a mechanism in the hands of the people it becomes very easy for savvy political operators to begin to create discontent by pushing hot button issues and swelling up a mob through disinforamtion, half truth and isolation(aka the FOX News model).
There was a reason why the Senate prior to the 17th amendment was appointed by state legislature instead of directly elected because the position of power(only 2/state) was too great to put in the hands of mob rule.
This is why im a proponent that a part of the charter CPM test the idea(for future consideration to possibly CSM) a bicameral approach in which part of the seats are popularly elected and 1 maybe 2 seats are appointed by CCP after interview with the candidates, seeking the post. It serves as a sanity check for CCP but also ensure the council is truly balanced on all effects.
Why this instead of all full player elected seats? Because politics are a dirty business and power blocks begin to form and mud begins to fling. Having 1-2 appointees at least ensure CCP person(s) they feel can serve as perhaps a mediatior when opposing and vocal elected officials begin to clash behind closed doors and serves as a check against wildly changing attitudes and fluctuating demographics that are likely to occur in a F2P FPS community.
This is a good post and I would like to see it outside of a troll thread.
(Yes, I'm a bad troll for calling out my own troll thread) |
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